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Posted By: shanks (195.153.38.82)
Date: 9/14/03 at 6:04 a.m.

In Response To: Thank you, Shanks for your response post. And now a question about "Why". (Lily)


Dear Lily

Thanks for your question. Here’s the way I see it.

Bernie has explained something of the reasons why I, and many others, believe it is not useful, or even meaningful, to ask ‘why’ questions about the universe. Let me expand.

First of all, when, or in what circumstances is the why question legitimate? It is important to understand that, whilst in common use why is used synonymously with how, the minute we start asking in earnestness, the two words show themselves to be quite distinct in their meanings. How refers to the history and what you might call ‘efficient causes’ of any phenomenon. The notion of efficient cause versus final cause is one that we have from Aristotle, who actually outlined four types of causes for phenomena. Only these two need concern us.

The history, or efficient cause, of a phenomenon, is what science usually studies. It provides, for science, a pretty complete explanation of the sort of phenomena that scientists tend to be interested in. By a complete explanation, I simply mean that, with the explanation it has, science can predict what will happen with great accuracy and, when necessary, set into motion events with predictable results. An example of this is gravity. Kepler, Galileo and Newton studied the laws of motion and provided how explanations. What are the efficient causes of an apple falling, the moon moving around the earth and so on. Note that this explanation says nothing about what gravity is, simply about how it works. As a result we can tell that an asteroid will come quite close to the earth in a few centuries. Also as a result, we can make plans for vehicles, following the same laws, that might help move the asteroid out of the way.

This sort of approach, however, often fails when we try to study humans. There is, we are reasonably certain, in principle a train of efficient causes that could provide us with an explanation of human actions, but it is a very long and complicated one. So its actual explanatory power, because of this long and tortuous journey from the most basic functions (atomic? cellular?) to the level of human actions, is very limited.

This is why philosophers and psychologists use, instead, basic units of mind: beliefs, attitudes and so on, which are used as explanations for human actions. Even these, however, do not give us anything like the reliability of prediction that we get in, say, the physics of motion. And a characteristic of these explanations is that, at this level, it is often useful to ask why. This is because, as far as we can tell, human activities have the characteristic of being goal-directed, ie they have some end in mind. In the example of gravity, above, for instance, the scientists have the goal of sending a rocket up in order to shift an asteroid. So a complete explanation for the rocket would include not just the scientific explanation of how it works, but also the psychological explanation of why it was sent up.

It is this sort of explanation, also called a telos (after Aristotle’s classification), that makes sense when it comes to human actions, or the actions of any agent – you could legitimately say that a dog wagged its tail because it was happy to see its pet human come home. This is an answer not to a how question about the dog, but a why question about it. A scientific type explanation, answering only the hows, would be incredibly complicated, and in our current state of knowledge, perhaps impossible.

Therefore, wherever there seems to be clear signs of an agent at work, it can be useful, and sometimes imperative, to ask the why question. Equally, we need to be careful about it. In a situation where the how answers provide a complete explanation, asking why is meaningless.

And that’s the situation we seem to find ourselves in with regard to the universe. There is no evidence of purpose in its creation, and as far as answers seem to be possible, they are answers to how questions. This is not to say that science or philosophy has all the answers, just that, in the spirit of parsimony, we don’t ask questions unless they seem to be relevant to an explanation. Why questions are not relevant regarding the universe, or the creation of life, simply because we have no evidence of agency supporting our investigation.

Having said which, of course, there are people who subscribe to the so-called Intelligent Design idea, who are certain that there was some agency behind the creation of life and are looking for evidence (allegedly) to demonstrate this point. If they were vindicated in their search, it would definitely be a good idea to ask the why question – if some intelligent agent created life why did it do so?

My reason for not ascribing intelligent purpose to the universe is simply that there does not seem to be a need for it. As far as I can tell, there is no evidence of purpose in the universe as it is set up. That within this set up, life evolved, and we appear to create purposes for ourselves is irrelevant to whether or not there is purpose to the universe.

I know this has been rather long-winded, but I hope it helps.

cheer

the sunshine warrior


 

 

 Lily's question and Bernie's reply:

 

Thank you, Shanks for your response post. And now a question about "Why".

Posted By: Lily (198.81.26.6)
Date: 9/13/03 at 7:07 p.m.


Lily: And so, my next question. Is asking "why" (and not simply as a synonym for "how") ever valid?

Shanks: should think absolutely. Wherever there are unmistakable signs of intelligent agency, we can legitimately ask the ‘why’ question, ie. what purpose did the agent have? This is a very fruitful question in situations involving people, and is absolutely essential in some cases. Consider a murder trial and how hamstrung we would be if the ‘why’ question were not allowed: we would not be able to determine a motive, and that is a crucial part of our morality and our judicial process.

So now my question. Why is "why" valid for people to ask in situations involving people, but not for asking about "ultimate" questions of the "why" of anything or everything? You seem to explain it as not valid because the question is unanswerable. Is that really a valid answer?

Are humans so different and separate from the rest of creation that "why" can only pertain to human circumstances? Can "why" and an expectant answer be so foreign to creation itself? Are we not part of creation also?

And by the way, how is it you know that there isn't an "intelligence" in the universe itself? After all, you su[b]scribe it to humans. What makes humans so different from the rest of it all?

Lily

 


Posted By: bernie (172.130.238.191)
Date: 9/13/03 at 7:37 p.m.

In Response To: Thank you, Shanks for your response post. And now a question about "Why". (Lily)


1. Why" is not quantifiable - and thus does not properly belong in the set or class of "who, what, when, etc. etc."

2. "Why" can never be a synonym for "how" - anymore than "tomato" can.

3. For reasons perhaps too involved to present here to you (now), "why" invokes (ultimately) Hume's "ought" - as a fraudulent concept for judging Nature or (any) "happenings."

With him - you - and I - and all others would do well to consign "why" (along with "ought") "...to the flames: for it can contain nothing but sophistry and illusion". (These are the concluding words of his first "Enquiry").

This stuff is not all that easy to come at.

bernie

 

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